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MinionRetard · Mar 16, 2010, 10:51 AM // 10:51

I use W/Rt spirit farmer to pretend that I'm farming. To manage my energy I take 1 hero with BiP and Blood Ritual to get +10 energy regen.
So at what rate drop is assigned to my hero? Is it like 50/50 or do I have better odds to get drop?

Covah · Mar 16, 2010, 12:30 PM // 12:30

2 people = you get half the drops since they are given to both of you. If you go solo you get all the drops.

Dawn Angelheart · Mar 16, 2010, 12:35 PM // 12:35

Loot is scaled down.
You + 1 hero = You get half the drops dropped for two people. Half is auto given to hero.
You = All drops dropped for one person.
You + 1 real person = You get enough drops for one person, but see everything that drops.

I feel i could explain this better though..

Riot Narita · Mar 16, 2010, 12:56 PM // 12:56

If the hero is out of range (hero's name is grey in party Window), you get same drops as if you were solo (or so close that there's no noticable difference). I've tested this with Raptor farming, solo vs me + hero.

That's no use to you though, if you need the hero to be in casting range to give you energy.

BrettM · Mar 16, 2010, 01:20 PM // 13:20

There are two classes of loot. One is "loot scaled" and the other is not.

1. Loot that is scaled: This includes gold (cash) and white items. More of these items will drop for larger parties, so there is only a small advantage in being in a smaller party. The scaling is not strictly linear. You will still get somewhat more of these items if you go solo. But you won't get twice as many as you would in a party of two, or eight times as many as you would in a party of eight.

2. Loot that is not scaled: This includes rare materials, dye, tomes, event items, etc. The number of these items that will drop is the same whether there is one person in the party or eight. The items are randomly assigned to party members. If you go solo, you get all of them. If there are others in the party -- human, hero, or henchman -- they will get a share of them. The more members there are in the party, the smaller your share of these will be.

Since most of the items that people want to farm are in the second group, then you will be more successful at obtaining them if you go solo.

In some cases, having a hero along is essential to survival. In other cases, it may make the run so much faster that you will come out ahead by taking the hero because you can do more runs in the same amount of time. But, since each run is half as profitable with a hero along, then it only makes sense if you can do more than two runs in the time it would take you to do one solo run.

Silmar Alech · Mar 16, 2010, 01:37 PM // 13:37

This is the moment where you should consider creating additional characters to be able to fulfil more than one role. The Ritualist is a nice class, not doomed to only farm Nicholas items, but an excellent party supporter.

From my point of view, everyone should have one of these character classes available as lvl20 chars played through all of the campaigns:
- warrior (for rushing through explorable areas)
- elementalist (for some gold/items farming or rushing Shiro)
- ritualist (for most of Nicholas' items farming)
- monk (for 55hp farming or rushing the Great Destroyer)

Every so often, demand arises to farm gold or some special item, rush the Factions or EOTN final mission, or to get someone to some location. Can usually be satisfied by one of the above classes.

Of course, these classes are not created for rushing in the first place. You might find it fun to play them regularly. And they are great tools, if available.

waeland · Mar 16, 2010, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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Originally Posted by Silmar Alech

Of course, these classes are not created for rushing in the first place. You might find it fun to play them regularly.

Well, sure they I are all fun to play, but play four times all campaigns ? And probably grind ranks to for PvE only skills ? Doesn't sound like fun to me anymore...

Painbringer · Mar 16, 2010, 03:11 PM // 15:11

[QUOTE=MinionRetard;5085786]To manage my energy I take 1 hero with BiP and Blood Ritual to get +10 energy regen.QUOTE]

Spirit Siphon my friend ....no need to bring a hench/hero for energy

Poop and then Recoup move a little poop recoup... its all in the pooping and recouping

The Template · Mar 16, 2010, 07:23 PM // 19:23

Just beef up your mule account and run a multi-launch program and get ALL the drops.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/i...t10373154.html

Desert Rose · Mar 16, 2010, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by BrettM

There are two classes of loot. One is "loot scaled" and the other is not.

1. Loot that is scaled: This includes gold (cash) and white items. More of these items will drop for larger parties, so there is only a small advantage in being in a smaller party. The scaling is not strictly linear. You will still get somewhat more of these items if you go solo. But you won't get twice as many as you would in a party of two, or eight times as many as you would in a party of eight.
Also, blue and purple items and commom materials fall also into this category. Event items might also be in this category, but I'm not sure.

2. Loot that is not scaled: This includes rare materials, dye, tomes, event items, etc. The number of these items that will drop is the same whether there is one person in the party or eight. The items are randomly assigned to party members. If you go solo, you get all of them. If there are others in the party -- human, hero, or henchman -- they will get a share of them. The more members there are in the party, the smaller your share of these will be.
This category also includes gold and green items.

Bolded part in quote.

MisterB · Mar 17, 2010, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by Desert Rose

Event items might also be in this category, but I'm not sure.

Bolded part in quote.

Event items are not loot scaled; they appear to be assigned separately and in addition to regular drops. There does not appear to be any mechanism that lowers their drop rate presently. Dev update that includes list of exempt items can be found here. Note the inclusion of special event items in the exempt category.

Event items may of course be assigned to any party member in range, so going solo versus a party of 2 or more will award more drops.

Mar 16, 2010, 10:51 AM // 10:51	#1
MinionRetard Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jan 2010 Profession: W/A	1 man + 1 h = less drop? I use W/Rt spirit farmer to pretend that I'm farming. To manage my energy I take 1 hero with BiP and Blood Ritual to get +10 energy regen. So at what rate drop is assigned to my hero? Is it like 50/50 or do I have better odds to get drop?

Mar 16, 2010, 03:11 PM // 15:11	#8
Painbringer Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Minnesota Guild: Black Widows of Death Profession: W/Mo	[QUOTE=MinionRetard;5085786]To manage my energy I take 1 hero with BiP and Blood Ritual to get +10 energy regen.QUOTE] Spirit Siphon my friend ....no need to bring a hench/hero for energy Poop and then Recoup move a little poop recoup... its all in the pooping and recouping Last edited by Painbringer; Mar 16, 2010 at 03:13 PM // 15:13..

Mar 16, 2010, 07:23 PM // 19:23	#9
The Template Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Serenity Temple Guild: The Obscure Monks [MonK] Profession: Mo/	Get them ALL Just beef up your mule account and run a multi-launch program and get ALL the drops. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/i...t10373154.html

Mar 16, 2010, 12:30 PM // 12:30	#2
Covah Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Guild: Catching Jellyfish With [소N트T ] Profession: Me/Rt	2 people = you get half the drops since they are given to both of you. If you go solo you get all the drops.

Mar 16, 2010, 12:35 PM // 12:35	#3
Dawn Angelheart Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2008 Guild: We Bought Plan C On [Ebay] Profession: W/E	Loot is scaled down. You + 1 hero = You get half the drops dropped for two people. Half is auto given to hero. You = All drops dropped for one person. You + 1 real person = You get enough drops for one person, but see everything that drops. I feel i could explain this better though..

Mar 16, 2010, 12:56 PM // 12:56	#4
Riot Narita Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2007	If the hero is out of range (hero's name is grey in party Window), you get same drops as if you were solo (or so close that there's no noticable difference). I've tested this with Raptor farming, solo vs me + hero. That's no use to you though, if you need the hero to be in casting range to give you energy.

Mar 16, 2010, 01:20 PM // 13:20	#5
BrettM Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2008 Guild: Fuzzy Physics Institute Profession: E/	There are two classes of loot. One is "loot scaled" and the other is not. 1. Loot that is scaled: This includes gold (cash) and white items. More of these items will drop for larger parties, so there is only a small advantage in being in a smaller party. The scaling is not strictly linear. You will still get somewhat more of these items if you go solo. But you won't get twice as many as you would in a party of two, or eight times as many as you would in a party of eight. 2. Loot that is not scaled: This includes rare materials, dye, tomes, event items, etc. The number of these items that will drop is the same whether there is one person in the party or eight. The items are randomly assigned to party members. If you go solo, you get all of them. If there are others in the party -- human, hero, or henchman -- they will get a share of them. The more members there are in the party, the smaller your share of these will be. Since most of the items that people want to farm are in the second group, then you will be more successful at obtaining them if you go solo. In some cases, having a hero along is essential to survival. In other cases, it may make the run so much faster that you will come out ahead by taking the hero because you can do more runs in the same amount of time. But, since each run is half as profitable with a hero along, then it only makes sense if you can do more than two runs in the time it would take you to do one solo run.

Mar 16, 2010, 01:37 PM // 13:37	#6
Silmar Alech Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Europe Guild: Tom Son [TS] Profession: E/	This is the moment where you should consider creating additional characters to be able to fulfil more than one role. The Ritualist is a nice class, not doomed to only farm Nicholas items, but an excellent party supporter. From my point of view, everyone should have one of these character classes available as lvl20 chars played through all of the campaigns: - warrior (for rushing through explorable areas) - elementalist (for some gold/items farming or rushing Shiro) - ritualist (for most of Nicholas' items farming) - monk (for 55hp farming or rushing the Great Destroyer) Every so often, demand arises to farm gold or some special item, rush the Factions or EOTN final mission, or to get someone to some location. Can usually be satisfied by one of the above classes. Of course, these classes are not created for rushing in the first place. You might find it fun to play them regularly. And they are great tools, if available.